1 00:00:01,710 --> 00:00:03,430 You produced a pornographic movie? 2 00:00:03,730 --> 00:00:04,810 Yes. When? 3 00:00:05,250 --> 00:00:06,310 You were shooting when? 4 00:00:06,610 --> 00:00:07,890 February. The middle of February. 5 00:00:08,250 --> 00:00:12,110 Holly both directed and starred in it. Really? Yes, it's something I've wanted 6 00:00:12,110 --> 00:00:14,570 to do for quite a long time. Holly and I are engaged. 7 00:00:15,090 --> 00:00:16,090 Oh, congratulations. 8 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:18,650 Thank you. This couldn't have come at a worse time. 9 00:00:18,930 --> 00:00:20,750 How did the DA find out about this movie? 10 00:00:20,990 --> 00:00:23,270 Someone from the lab that processed the film told them. 11 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:26,870 Is there anything in there that's particularly shocking or illegal? 12 00:00:27,330 --> 00:00:28,330 Absolutely not. 13 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:31,770 No children, nobody dies? No, Mr. Becker, there are no children and nobody 14 00:00:31,970 --> 00:00:35,210 Arnie. I'm sorry, I have to ask you. You know, at the completion of principal 15 00:00:35,210 --> 00:00:39,650 photography, my boom man said to me that if Billy Wilder ever got into porn, 16 00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:42,970 this was the movie that he would make. That is so true, too. 17 00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:46,730 What exactly are you being charged with? I'm being charged with pandering for 18 00:00:46,730 --> 00:00:48,090 the purposes of prostitution. 19 00:00:48,730 --> 00:00:51,750 For some reason, that woman, D .A., wants to make an example of me. 20 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,500 You know I'm not a criminal lawyer, Yale. But I know you, and I trust you. 21 00:00:55,940 --> 00:00:58,520 I don't want to tell my life story to some stranger. 22 00:00:58,860 --> 00:01:00,860 Never hid your interest in pornography before. 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,680 Only within the confines of this office. 24 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:07,800 Or when he's with me. The truth is, I'm very guarded about it otherwise. 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,700 I have recurring nightmares in which I'm standing on line somewhere, a train 26 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:19,280 station, an airport. My attaché case inexplicably comes open. 27 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:22,030 A pornographic magazine falls out. 28 00:01:23,130 --> 00:01:25,430 Usually it's the little Danish pocket pals. 29 00:01:27,070 --> 00:01:29,750 Everybody stops what they're doing. 30 00:01:31,590 --> 00:01:32,870 Everybody sees. 31 00:01:33,430 --> 00:01:34,510 Everybody knows. 32 00:01:34,910 --> 00:01:38,390 Trials are public, Yale. Then we can't let it go to trial. 33 00:01:39,070 --> 00:01:41,510 My parents cannot know that I have done this. 34 00:01:41,730 --> 00:01:43,990 They can never know about my interest in pornography. 35 00:01:44,390 --> 00:01:45,590 Do they know that you're engaged? 36 00:01:45,890 --> 00:01:48,330 Of course they do. Well, what do they think Holly does for a living? 37 00:01:48,550 --> 00:01:52,110 They think that she's a buyer for Bonwood Tellers. And there's no reason 38 00:01:52,110 --> 00:01:53,350 they can't go on thinking that. 39 00:01:56,090 --> 00:01:57,870 Okay. I'll see what I can do. 40 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:00,490 We also want the film back. Oh, yes. 41 00:02:01,330 --> 00:02:02,330 You don't have a copy? 42 00:02:02,670 --> 00:02:07,190 No. The D .A. has the only copy. It was confiscated from the lab. 43 00:02:07,390 --> 00:02:09,710 And neither Yale nor I have ever seen the film. 44 00:02:10,310 --> 00:02:11,310 And we want to. 45 00:02:11,850 --> 00:02:12,850 Yes, we do. 46 00:02:13,290 --> 00:02:14,390 We want to see it. 47 00:02:15,910 --> 00:02:16,910 Very badly. 48 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:52,960 Hey, Stuart, you got a minute? 49 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:54,180 Hi, Joyce. 50 00:03:54,200 --> 00:04:00,640 Do you have a minute? Sure. I was wondering if one of your 51 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,100 partners had changed their mind about representing me. 52 00:04:04,820 --> 00:04:05,820 No. 53 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,940 Is it strictly a matter of money? 54 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,200 No, not at all. 55 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:12,140 What is it, then? 56 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Well, we're a small firm, and our resources are limited. Our litigators 57 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,200 surfeited with work. 58 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,820 You know the case. Why don't you represent me? I do your taxes, Julius. 59 00:04:25,820 --> 00:04:26,820 a trial lawyer. 60 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,900 Yeah, trial starts this afternoon. 61 00:04:31,660 --> 00:04:32,660 Yeah, I know. 62 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,040 Well, wish me luck. 63 00:04:40,260 --> 00:04:41,260 Good luck. 64 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:44,900 Okay, people, let's get started. Hardy versus Hardy. 65 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,940 That's mine. We're representing the wife. Depositions are getting started 66 00:04:49,140 --> 00:04:50,740 What are you doing handling a divorce? 67 00:04:51,180 --> 00:04:53,220 I asked her to handle it. I'm underwater. 68 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:55,640 Matrimonial law is not Anfield. 69 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:59,460 Actually, Leland, my first job was with a firm that did exclusively matrimonial 70 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:03,020 law. I have a fair amount of experience in it. That notwithstanding, in the 71 00:05:03,020 --> 00:05:07,760 future, I want all realignment or reallocation of firm resources to be 72 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,600 the knowledge and consent of either Douglas or myself. 73 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:12,780 Okay. Pierce versus Watson. 74 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:15,480 Pierce versus Watson. 75 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:16,700 Whose is it? 76 00:05:17,060 --> 00:05:19,600 Technically, it's not anybody's. I'd just like to discuss it. 77 00:05:20,490 --> 00:05:21,349 the guy with the newsletter? 78 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:25,830 Yes, it is. He's being sued for libel by an esteemed nuclear physicist. 79 00:05:26,090 --> 00:05:27,750 I think he has a case. Stewart. 80 00:05:28,030 --> 00:05:32,030 What? He's not a paying client, Stewart. We have taken pro bono cases before. 81 00:05:32,410 --> 00:05:35,450 All the more reason not to take on this one. From everything you've told me, 82 00:05:35,470 --> 00:05:37,270 this guy wants to go to trial just to prove a point. 83 00:05:37,490 --> 00:05:38,409 Assume that he does. 84 00:05:38,410 --> 00:05:41,750 Does that rule out our representing him? We have a finite number of trial 85 00:05:41,750 --> 00:05:43,230 lawyers at this firm, Stewart. 86 00:05:43,690 --> 00:05:45,150 Currently, none of them are available. 87 00:05:45,470 --> 00:05:47,670 I may be available towards the end of the week. 88 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:48,930 I'm available now. 89 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,440 Maybe I can second chair. 90 00:05:50,660 --> 00:05:55,360 If the decision has been made not to represent this gentleman, I just assume 91 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,340 left it at that. People versus Tobias. 92 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,700 Yale Tobias produced a pornographic movie he finds himself being prosecuted 93 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:05,320 pandering. I thought the courts ruled that prostitution laws couldn't be used 94 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,420 prosecute pornographers. 95 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,800 Yeah, they're distinguishing this case based on the theory that Yale Tobias 96 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,120 the movie for his own sexual gratification, that he was, in fact, the 97 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,280 rather than the producer. 98 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,120 That's a bit of a... Stretch, no? 99 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:20,640 It's a huge stretch. On the other hand, Yale is an otherwise reputable 100 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,540 businessman who lets his obsession with all things pornographic get him involved 101 00:06:24,540 --> 00:06:26,220 in less than respectable enterprises. 102 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:30,000 It's my guess that this caught the attention of some hell -bent for leather 103 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,900 feminist in the DA's office. 104 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,460 I assume this raises serious free speech issues in your mind, Arnie. Yes, it 105 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:37,279 does, Jane. 106 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:41,580 Point of information, why doesn't the same concern extend to my client? 107 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:43,980 your client has no money to do it. 108 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:46,580 Ah. Asked. And answered. 109 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:54,000 Fortune comes a -crawlin', calliope woman, spinnin' that curious 110 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,340 sense of your own. 111 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,640 Can you answer? 112 00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:00,700 Yes, I can. 113 00:07:01,180 --> 00:07:07,000 But what would be the answer to the answer man? Gentlemen, sorry for the 114 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:08,279 It's cool. 115 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:10,340 You'll be deposing Mrs. Hardy today, right? 116 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,100 Right. I think we should get started. 117 00:07:12,820 --> 00:07:14,700 Take it slow, let it grow. 118 00:07:18,990 --> 00:07:20,910 Would you state your name for the record? 119 00:07:22,130 --> 00:07:23,130 Carolyn Hardy. 120 00:07:23,210 --> 00:07:25,430 And you are currently married to Dale Hardy? 121 00:07:25,770 --> 00:07:28,250 Yes, I am. And how long have you been so married? 122 00:07:29,010 --> 00:07:30,010 22 years. 123 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:33,450 And over the course of those 22 years, you and your husband have accumulated a 124 00:07:33,450 --> 00:07:34,450 great many things. 125 00:07:34,490 --> 00:07:35,490 One of us worked. 126 00:07:35,570 --> 00:07:38,250 There's a house, two vehicles, several bank accounts. 127 00:07:38,570 --> 00:07:40,390 And whose name are all of these things? 128 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:41,730 They're in both of our names. 129 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:44,210 Yet you saw fit to lock your husband out of the house. 130 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:50,300 He was using our house as a crash pad for other Grateful Dead fanatics. I 131 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:52,100 him to stop on numerous occasions. 132 00:07:52,460 --> 00:07:53,560 He refused. 133 00:07:53,820 --> 00:07:55,040 I changed the lock. 134 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:58,720 And you're asking that most of these personal possessions that you've 135 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,020 accumulated, including the Grateful Dead memorabilia collection, be sold? 136 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:04,300 Right again. 137 00:08:04,340 --> 00:08:07,700 This despite the fact that your husband remains attached to it? My husband needs 138 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:08,780 to unattach himself. 139 00:08:09,660 --> 00:08:13,600 Never. Or, in the alternative, find a way to support himself. 140 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:19,500 When man gathers what another man spills. Bill, did it ever occur to 141 00:08:19,820 --> 00:08:25,320 That not everything that Jerry Garcia ever said was necessarily profound. 142 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:30,440 Carolyn. And that not every situation in life can be summed up by Grateful Dead 143 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,340 lyrics. Can I ask why the animus toward the dead? Not relevant. Could it be that 144 00:08:34,340 --> 00:08:38,080 you were once a deadhead yourself? Not relevant. She is not being analyzed 145 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:40,960 Mr. Ritzig. She's the one who turned me on to the dead. She was into the dead 146 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,200 before I was. Yes, and I was 18 years old when I did that. 147 00:08:44,890 --> 00:08:46,990 I'm 41 years old now. 148 00:08:47,310 --> 00:08:52,230 Our kids are grown up and out of the house. And at this point in my life, the 149 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:55,310 most important thing to me is not the Grateful Dead. 150 00:08:55,890 --> 00:08:59,010 I do not want their posters on my wall. 151 00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:02,170 I do not want their bumper stickers on my car. 152 00:09:02,610 --> 00:09:08,890 What I want is to start over and do my best to try and forget how much of my 153 00:09:08,890 --> 00:09:11,470 life I spent being married to you. 154 00:09:14,190 --> 00:09:16,570 Dr. Pierce, would you tell the court your occupation? 155 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:18,910 I teach physics at Caltech. 156 00:09:19,170 --> 00:09:21,030 Would you tell the court what you did prior to that? 157 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:25,150 I taught at Princeton for some year. Before that, I worked for the 158 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:33,070 And what did you do for the government, sir? I was a nuclear physicist. 159 00:09:33,370 --> 00:09:36,150 I did research pertaining to nuclear physics. 160 00:09:36,490 --> 00:09:39,510 Were you involved in a particular project in which nuclear devices were 161 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:43,450 detonated and pilots were engaged to fly through the mushroom cloud at the test 162 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:47,480 site? Yes, I was. Would you tell us the purpose of this? We were studying the 163 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,360 effects of radiation on human beings. 164 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:52,060 Were you aware that these pilots were placing themselves at risk? 165 00:09:52,340 --> 00:09:54,340 Yes, I was, and we acted accordingly. 166 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,540 They wore leaded glass hoods. They breathed pure oxygen from self 167 00:09:59,540 --> 00:10:03,080 systems. To the best of our ability, we tried to protect those men. 168 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:08,580 But some of them got sick. It's a tragedy, for which I'm deeply sorry. 169 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:12,440 Would you tell us the circumstances, Doctor, under which you first became 170 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:15,030 of what Julius Watson had written about you. 171 00:10:15,370 --> 00:10:19,910 One of my students is a young man from South Korea, very bright, very new to 172 00:10:19,910 --> 00:10:20,910 this country. 173 00:10:21,470 --> 00:10:25,750 He came to me one day after class. He showed me the article, and he asked me 174 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:26,750 it could be true. 175 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:29,490 He was the only one of my students to ask. 176 00:10:29,810 --> 00:10:33,010 What effect, if any, did the publication of this article have on you? 177 00:10:33,210 --> 00:10:37,930 The student newspaper reprinted the article. It was widely circulated among 178 00:10:37,930 --> 00:10:39,310 the students and the faculty. 179 00:10:40,090 --> 00:10:42,510 The result is that I've become something of a pariah. 180 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,580 Because I have tenure, I can't be fired. It's clear to me, however, that 181 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:48,160 everyone wishes that I would go away. 182 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,720 I have nothing further. 183 00:10:51,780 --> 00:10:52,780 Mr. Watson. 184 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,540 Did you ever conduct tests into how to poison a city's food supply? 185 00:10:59,900 --> 00:11:00,900 No, I did not. 186 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:06,300 You never experimented with poisoning a food supply using radioactive strontium? 187 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:07,980 Objection. Asked and answered. 188 00:11:08,380 --> 00:11:09,500 Sustained. Okay. 189 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,160 I'd like to refer to an interview with an attending physician to Major Revelle. 190 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:16,680 Objection. Hearsay. 191 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,500 Sustained. What? I can't refer to an interview? 192 00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:21,500 No, you may not, Mr. Watson. 193 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:23,460 Okay. 194 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,920 Isn't it a fact... I know that's how you're supposed to start the question. 195 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,460 Isn't it a fact that you were told by a number of military personnel that the 196 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:35,420 pilots felt as though they were being lied to? 197 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:37,040 Objection. Hearsay. 198 00:11:37,380 --> 00:11:40,060 Sustained. What do I have to do to get a point across here, Judge? 199 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:49,260 What you have to do, Mr. Watson, is adhere to the rules of evidence. 200 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,220 You'll have to forgive me. I'm not altogether conversant with the rules of 201 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:55,560 evidence. Then maybe you shouldn't be representing yourself. 202 00:11:56,430 --> 00:12:00,050 I'm sorry, Your Honor. I used to have money for lawyers. I don't anymore. 203 00:12:00,350 --> 00:12:02,850 I can't help that. Your Honor, excuse me. Yes, what? 204 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:07,030 My name is Stuart Markowitz. I'm with the firm of Mackenzie Brackman. May I 205 00:12:07,030 --> 00:12:07,749 approach the bench? 206 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:08,750 Yes, you may, sir. 207 00:12:12,030 --> 00:12:15,250 I represent Mr. Watson in other matters. 208 00:12:15,450 --> 00:12:18,590 With his consent, I'd like to ask you for a day's continuance so that I can 209 00:12:18,590 --> 00:12:20,070 represent him in this matter. Mr. Watson? 210 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:21,630 Absolutely, I consent. 211 00:12:22,010 --> 00:12:23,010 This court's adjourned. 212 00:12:23,630 --> 00:12:25,790 We'll reconvene tomorrow morning at 10 a .m. 213 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:32,840 My father was a fighter pilot in World War II in Korea. 214 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,400 He retired in 1965 as a major. 215 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,300 After the Korean War, what was his assignment? 216 00:12:39,740 --> 00:12:40,800 He was a test pilot. 217 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,280 And what was he testing between the years 1952 and 1954? 218 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Well, I was a little girl at the time, so no one actually told me. 219 00:12:51,780 --> 00:12:54,100 But I knew that whatever he was doing was important. 220 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,260 And I knew that it was secret. 221 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,860 Men would come to the house and take blood samples and specimens. 222 00:13:01,340 --> 00:13:03,220 My dad would make us go outside. 223 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,800 When you got older, did he tell you what he was doing during this period? 224 00:13:07,140 --> 00:13:08,079 Objection, hearsay. 225 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Your Honor, I think she should be able to tell us what her father was doing. 226 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,460 The objection's overruled. I'll allow it. 227 00:13:13,020 --> 00:13:17,180 Whenever they tested bombs, he was one of the pilots that flew through the 228 00:13:17,180 --> 00:13:20,240 clouds. How would you describe his health after he retired? 229 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,160 There were strange things at first. 230 00:13:22,460 --> 00:13:25,080 His ear swelled for no apparent reason. 231 00:13:25,949 --> 00:13:27,630 Then he couldn't move his legs. 232 00:13:28,270 --> 00:13:32,150 Then his thyroid had to be removed, and then his colon. 233 00:13:32,390 --> 00:13:35,230 He suffered in pain for five or six years. 234 00:13:36,310 --> 00:13:37,310 And then he died. 235 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:43,850 Have you ever seen Dr. Pierce before today? 236 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:48,830 I saw him the day my father was buried. 237 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:54,810 And what, if anything, did he say to you on that day? I'll allow it. 238 00:13:55,210 --> 00:13:56,250 He said he was sorry. 239 00:13:56,850 --> 00:14:00,210 He said that there were certain things that my father couldn't be told. 240 00:14:00,670 --> 00:14:01,670 Objection? Hearsay? 241 00:14:02,350 --> 00:14:03,430 Sustained and stricken. 242 00:14:03,850 --> 00:14:04,850 I have nothing further. 243 00:14:13,270 --> 00:14:16,190 Did you ever hear your father blame Dr. Pierce for what happened to him? 244 00:14:16,510 --> 00:14:18,270 No. Did you ever hear him blame anyone? 245 00:14:18,610 --> 00:14:22,530 My father was a patriotic man, Mr. Sumner. He believed that what he was 246 00:14:22,530 --> 00:14:23,970 was his patriotic duty. 247 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:28,730 He would never have blamed anyone for what happened to him. Your father was 248 00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:30,810 a soldier, was he not, ma 'am? Yes, he was. 249 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:33,310 A very brave, highly decorated soldier. 250 00:14:34,590 --> 00:14:39,850 Is it possible that he accepted the risks attendant to the radiation tests 251 00:14:39,850 --> 00:14:43,590 the same way that he accepted the risks attendant to the many bombing missions 252 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:47,270 he flew? He was never told what the risks were. Do you think he needed to be 253 00:14:47,270 --> 00:14:48,490 told? Objection speculative. 254 00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:50,990 Sustained. No further questions. 255 00:14:51,290 --> 00:14:53,850 No, but my father wasn't supposed to be a guinea pig. 256 00:14:54,430 --> 00:14:58,310 He wasn't supposed to be sent up into those clouds so that this man could 257 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:59,850 him while he wasted away. 258 00:15:00,670 --> 00:15:02,810 His country owed him better than that. 259 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:07,290 What do you do for a living, Mr. Hardy? 260 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:08,970 I do a variety of things. 261 00:15:09,550 --> 00:15:10,550 Like what? 262 00:15:12,050 --> 00:15:13,250 Merchandising, for the most part. 263 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:14,590 What do you merchandise? 264 00:15:16,330 --> 00:15:20,110 I run a clearinghouse for Grateful Dead concert tapes. 265 00:15:20,590 --> 00:15:24,950 I also go to the concerts where I sell frisbees and... Beach balls, dog 266 00:15:24,950 --> 00:15:26,930 bandanas. It's what I do. 267 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:29,570 How much does what you do produce in income? 268 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:32,990 All together or annually? 269 00:15:33,370 --> 00:15:34,370 Annually. 270 00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:36,490 About $12 ,000. 271 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:41,770 Plus this year I traded some concert tapes for a 1961 Volvo station wagon. 272 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:45,070 Mr. Hardy, you've made a practice, have you not, of following the Grateful Dead 273 00:15:45,070 --> 00:15:47,510 from city to city in order to attend their concerts? 274 00:15:47,830 --> 00:15:49,230 Yes, I have made it a practice. 275 00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:52,090 You traveled to Egypt for a Grateful Dead concert. 276 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,559 Yes, I did. 277 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,900 I still can't get over that you went and I didn't. Oh, man, Dark Star in front 278 00:15:57,900 --> 00:15:59,280 of the pyramids. Unbelievable. 279 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,480 Oh, man, all other versions just pale in comparison. Including the 69 Fillmore 280 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,840 West concerts. Including everything. 281 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,620 Can we keep going with this, please? 282 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:11,620 Would you acknowledge, sir, that it was your wife who provided the funds for the 283 00:16:11,620 --> 00:16:12,620 purchase of your home? 284 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:15,300 What difference does it make who provided the funds? If it was acquired 285 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:17,720 course of the marriage, it's marital property. It's irrelevant to the 286 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:18,720 disposition of assets. 287 00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:21,240 It's in no way relevant to the disposition of assets. 288 00:16:21,460 --> 00:16:22,960 I'm instructing my client not to answer. 289 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,780 Would you acknowledge that it was your wife who provided the funds for you to 290 00:16:26,780 --> 00:16:31,440 to Egypt as well as for a six -week stopover in Kathmandu? I'm going to 291 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,580 to that, too. I thought it wasn't supposed to matter who paid for what. 292 00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:37,100 talk to me, Mr. Hardy. You just answer me yes or no. 293 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,140 Was I a good father to our kid? 294 00:16:39,340 --> 00:16:42,480 That is not the issue, Mr. Hardy, and you are not the one asking the 295 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,360 Answer me. Was I or wasn't I? 296 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,680 You don't need to consult with your attorney for an answer to that, do you? 297 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,360 you were. You were a good father. 298 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,020 Well, then what the hell are we sitting here arguing about money for? 299 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:55,280 Because we find your demands regarding money to be unreasonable. 300 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,140 I'm not a burnout, Carolyn. 301 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:00,540 I'm not some kind of hustler, either. Mr. Hardy, I am not done with the 302 00:17:00,540 --> 00:17:01,640 deposition. Well, I am. 303 00:17:02,860 --> 00:17:05,740 I'm done with it. I'm not going to sit here like some kind of a criminal. I 304 00:17:05,740 --> 00:17:06,740 didn't do anything wrong. 305 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,380 I like the Grateful Dead. 306 00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:09,920 I like their music. 307 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:14,430 People all over the world like their music. There was Grateful Dead lyrics 308 00:17:14,430 --> 00:17:17,069 -painted on the Berlin Wall, man. So what? 309 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:18,510 So what? 310 00:17:18,569 --> 00:17:21,109 So maybe they're not just another rock and roll band. 311 00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:23,450 Maybe they're on to something. 312 00:17:24,670 --> 00:17:27,630 Maybe there's more to being a deadhead than just the music. 313 00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:30,590 Maybe it's a little heavier than that. 314 00:17:30,990 --> 00:17:34,510 As you know, I'm involved in a community outreach program that helps homeless 315 00:17:34,510 --> 00:17:39,510 and developmentally disabled deadheads. We offer food and emergency counseling, 316 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:43,070 and we go and check on them and see if they're still alive. Mr. Grisick, if 317 00:17:43,070 --> 00:17:46,910 client refuses to finish this deposition, I will go into court and I 318 00:17:46,910 --> 00:17:50,230 for sanction. Well, the last time I looked, I was still a free United States 319 00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:54,590 citizen. And that means that right now, I'm walking out that door. 320 00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:56,770 Alan? 321 00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:08,240 You wrote the article in which Dr. Pierce is characterized as Dr. Death. Is 322 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,240 right? Right. 323 00:18:09,460 --> 00:18:10,640 What was the basis for that? 324 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,480 Well, the basis was radiation experiments. The good doctor conducted 325 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,640 unwitting human beings, said experiments resulting in their death. 326 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,860 What evidence do you have that said experiments did anything of the kind? 327 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,400 United States government mortality and morbidity reports, counselor. 328 00:18:25,420 --> 00:18:28,780 Significantly elevated incidence of cancer in subjects of the doctor's 329 00:18:28,780 --> 00:18:31,280 experiments. Are you trained as a scientist, Mr. Watson? 330 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,160 No, I'm not. Did you consult anyone who was? 331 00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:35,590 Prior to writing this article? 332 00:18:35,850 --> 00:18:38,430 Yes, I did. Can you provide me with their names and credentials? 333 00:18:38,850 --> 00:18:39,769 No, I cannot. 334 00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:40,689 Why can you not? 335 00:18:40,690 --> 00:18:42,730 Because they requested that their names not be used. 336 00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:45,130 Do you employ a fact checker at your magazine, sir? 337 00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:46,470 Yeah, me. 338 00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:47,490 An editor? 339 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:48,510 Also me. 340 00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:53,050 Is it fair to say, then, that you can write and publish pretty much whatever 341 00:18:53,050 --> 00:18:56,570 want? It's the only true compensation for being an ongoing source of 342 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:57,850 disappointment to my parents. 343 00:18:58,170 --> 00:18:59,170 I'll take that as a yes. 344 00:19:00,450 --> 00:19:02,530 Have you ever been sued for libel before, sir? 345 00:19:02,780 --> 00:19:05,760 Objection. Irrelevant and prejudicial. Goes to pattern, Your Honor. 346 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:07,760 I'll allow it. 347 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,400 Mr. Watson? 348 00:19:10,180 --> 00:19:11,760 I've been sued for libel before. 349 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,960 How many times? 350 00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:15,460 Actually sued three times. 351 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:17,500 Of those, two I won. 352 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:18,820 Settled out of court and won. 353 00:19:19,020 --> 00:19:22,780 Isn't it a fact that each and every time you were sued, it resulted in more 354 00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:24,820 publicity for both you and your publication? 355 00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:27,100 than you otherwise ever received. 356 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:30,920 I wrote what I wrote because this man acting with the government's blessing 357 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,040 support victimized and ultimately murdered innocent people. 358 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:37,320 When reports of his tests came out in the mainstream press, it was a one -day 359 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,020 news story. I picked up the ball. I ran with it. Did the mainstream press 360 00:19:41,020 --> 00:19:45,260 attribute to the experiments of Dr. Aaron Pierce either the victimization or 361 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:48,380 murder of a single person? No, they didn't. Did they ever refer to him as 362 00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:51,240 Death? Of course not. They're the mainstream press. They're respectable 363 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,520 polite and mainstream. 364 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,140 I'm none of those things. See, I'm the guy who sits in the back of the class 365 00:19:56,140 --> 00:19:57,140 shooting spitballs. 366 00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:59,680 I also happen to be the guy who's telling the truth. 367 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:00,920 So you say. 368 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,960 Your Honor. I have no further questions, Your Honor. 369 00:20:09,710 --> 00:20:10,710 Belinda Fox? 370 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:12,310 That's me. 371 00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:15,390 Hi. 372 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:18,250 I'd like to talk to you about the Tobias case. 373 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:19,590 Who are you? 374 00:20:19,670 --> 00:20:20,670 Arnold Becker. 375 00:20:20,850 --> 00:20:22,210 I'm Yale Tobias' attorney. 376 00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:25,250 Sit down. 377 00:20:26,190 --> 00:20:30,490 As a rule, I don't get involved in criminal cases, so you'll have to 378 00:20:30,490 --> 00:20:35,970 if I'm not up to date. However, from my readings of past appellate court 379 00:20:35,970 --> 00:20:38,770 decisions, you don't have a case. 380 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,200 You'll understand, Mr. Becker, if I don't send my ship to war based on your 381 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,100 reading of past appellate court decisions. 382 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,700 I'm given a certain amount of discretion here. Sometimes that allows me to get 383 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:52,700 creative. And who do you think this guy is that you're going after? 384 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,000 I think he's a rich businessman who decided to get into porno. 385 00:20:56,500 --> 00:21:00,360 I want to demonstrate to him that there might be unforeseen consequences in 386 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,900 that. I want to demonstrate it not just to him. 387 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,960 Why go after someone this small? This guy's nothing. I've seen his tax 388 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:08,620 dearest. He's not nothing. 389 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:10,440 You've looked at his tax returns. 390 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Are you aghast? 391 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:13,620 Have you ever met this guy? 392 00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:14,940 No, I haven't. 393 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,660 Would you permit me to bring him in here so that you could meet him? 394 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:19,680 Sure. 395 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:21,020 Thank you. 396 00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:25,800 I'll schedule an appointment. 397 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:29,700 How do you want it? 398 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,139 Excuse me? 399 00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:32,140 The door. 400 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:33,440 Open or closed? 401 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,160 Open. 402 00:21:44,439 --> 00:21:47,600 What? Department of Energy file I requested under the Freedom of 403 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,100 Act. I didn't know you had done that. I file an average of two requests a month, 404 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,360 Stuart. What for? Anything and everything. 405 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:58,900 FBI surveillance records, Air Force data on extraterrestrials, CIA logs 406 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:01,280 regarding various assassinations. I ask for it all. 407 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,480 Once in a while, I actually get lucky. 408 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:06,100 Can't tell me? 409 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,400 Nothing. Let's get to work. 410 00:22:13,770 --> 00:22:17,230 Your Honor, I believe I'm entitled to recall Dr. Pierce to the stand for 411 00:22:17,230 --> 00:22:20,630 purposes of cross -examination. Dr. Pierce has already been cross -examined. 412 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:24,450 Such cross -examination as occurred was conducted by my client, appearing pro 413 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:26,610 se. That was his decision, Mr. Markowitz. 414 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:29,810 You don't get a second bite at the apple because you hire a lawyer. 415 00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:33,550 Additionally, Your Honor, we have only recently come into the possession of 416 00:22:33,550 --> 00:22:34,550 certain new evidence. 417 00:22:35,010 --> 00:22:36,090 Proceed, Mr. Markowitz. 418 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:47,760 On March 1st, 1954, a 15 -megaton nuclear device was tested on the Bikini 419 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Are you familiar with that test, Doctor? Yes, I am. And are you aware of the 420 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,660 fact that radioactive fallout blew over to the islands of Rongelap and Utyrik? 421 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:02,920 That was unforeseen. And are you aware of the fact that Rongelap and Utyrik are 422 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,240 inhabited? As I said, that was unforeseen. 423 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,840 Did you get the consent of the people who inhabited those islands? Your Honor, 424 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:12,820 counsel is goading this witness. Dr. Pierce has stated twice that the result 425 00:23:12,820 --> 00:23:15,140 unforeseen. Clearly, no consent would have been obtained. 426 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:16,680 Move on, Mr. Markowitz. 427 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,060 Are you familiar with the Tenzer School for Boys, Doctor? 428 00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:25,700 No, I'm not. Are you aware of a study that administered radioactive isotopes 429 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:27,320 antimony to the students of this school? 430 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:32,000 Well, there are many such tests, Mr. Markowitz. That particular one doesn't 431 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,599 a bell. 432 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,140 Is it your contention that... 433 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,280 Consent was obtained from all the participants in all these studies? 434 00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:38,540 Oh, yes. 435 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,840 Informed consent? 436 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,840 Yes, Mr. Markowitz, informed consent. 437 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:47,120 Would it surprise you to learn that the students at the Tenzer School for Boys 438 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:51,540 were mentally retarded? Your Honor, I object to this whole line of 439 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,440 Overruled. Would it shock you to learn that the participants in this experiment 440 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,660 were told that they were joining a science club to segregate them from the 441 00:23:59,660 --> 00:24:00,660 of the school? 442 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:03,880 And that the radioactive isotopes were introduced into their milk during mid 443 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,539 -morning snack? 444 00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:09,900 First of all, I didn't do that. Second of all, we didn't have any idea what the 445 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:15,180 effects of radiation were at that time. I ask that this Department of Energy 446 00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:20,840 study be introduced into evidence, Your Honor, as Defense Exhibit A. 447 00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:22,140 So ordered. 448 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,080 Doctor. 449 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,020 Is this your name? 450 00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:33,880 This is totally misleading. 451 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,160 Is this your name, Doctor? 452 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Yes. According to this study, you and a panel of scientists analyzed the data 453 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,760 from the tens of schools. 454 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:43,920 So I'm going to ask you one more time, Doctor. 455 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,080 Did you or did you not know that human subjects were being used who were 456 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,040 incapable of giving informed consent? 457 00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:54,080 You and your client are so sure of your moral superiority. 458 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,740 You take your freedom and your comfort for granted. The world was at war when 459 00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:00,740 this was going on. 460 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,440 We were locked in mortal combat, first against Germany and Japan, then against 461 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,440 the Soviet Union. 462 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:12,360 We feared being dominated by them. Now, the fact that we no longer fear them 463 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,220 isn't an accident. It didn't just happen. 464 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,260 Myself and men like me spent our lives developing the military strength that 465 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:22,600 would prevent our enemies from defeating and dominating us. 466 00:25:23,050 --> 00:25:25,870 We tested potential military use of nerve gas. 467 00:25:26,110 --> 00:25:30,010 We tested the potential military use of LSD. We also tested the potential 468 00:25:30,010 --> 00:25:32,290 military use of radiological poison. 469 00:25:32,650 --> 00:25:36,350 See, we didn't have the luxury of forswearing the use of any weapon, 470 00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:40,370 particularly those that our enemies were developing to use against us. 471 00:25:41,370 --> 00:25:47,710 Your freedom and your comfort were provided to you by us, by what we did. 472 00:25:48,510 --> 00:25:50,570 You still haven't given me an answer, Doctor. 473 00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:52,590 I knew everything. 474 00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:54,870 I have no further questions. 475 00:26:03,070 --> 00:26:08,670 Excuse me. 476 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:12,650 In the interest of bringing this to a close, my client is prepared to make 477 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:13,650 certain concessions. 478 00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:14,810 Like what? 479 00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:17,370 We agreed to let Dale have the house. 480 00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:21,400 One car and 50 % of all money is held in their joint accounts. 481 00:26:21,820 --> 00:26:24,400 Scary movies, man. We may be able to settle this. 482 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:27,900 I don't want the house. 483 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,760 What do you mean? 484 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:31,320 I mean I don't want the house. 485 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:33,600 She paid for it. It's hers. 486 00:26:35,780 --> 00:26:38,700 Dale, I'm willing to let you have it. What's the problem? 487 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,220 I don't want to be the object of charity, man. 488 00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:44,660 Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Hardy, but up until today, weren't you in here 489 00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:45,680 asking for the house? 490 00:26:47,370 --> 00:26:48,370 I changed my mind. 491 00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:52,350 Why? Because I don't want to give you the satisfaction of being able to say to 492 00:26:52,350 --> 00:26:56,230 all your friends or their suits and ties that your deadhead ex -husband got the 493 00:26:56,230 --> 00:27:00,110 house. Oh, and that's why I'm doing it, right, Dale? To talk about it. Carolyn, 494 00:27:00,230 --> 00:27:02,010 you don't have to force him to give you the house. 495 00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:06,350 I should just leave it empty and see how long it takes him to move back in. Hey, 496 00:27:06,370 --> 00:27:08,870 I don't want to go back there anymore, and you do. I'm never going back. 497 00:27:09,130 --> 00:27:12,490 Oh, never say never, Dale. You may need a dry place to sleep one night. 498 00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:15,290 You know, I remember being at Watkins Glen. 499 00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:18,150 And the Grateful Dead are up on the stage. 500 00:27:18,670 --> 00:27:20,790 And you and me were right down there in the front. 501 00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:27,490 And Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzman go into their dual drum solos. 502 00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:30,890 And the boys go into Not Fade Away. 503 00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:33,170 Into St. Stephen. 504 00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:35,010 Into The Eleven. 505 00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:37,890 Went in to turn on your love light. 506 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:39,930 And I look over at you. 507 00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:43,730 You got on this crocheted top. 508 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:46,300 pink sunglasses. 509 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:53,320 And I just think to myself, in this whole universe, everything is right 510 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,320 should be. 511 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,620 And I look at you now, sitting here with your lawyer, and I wonder how the hell 512 00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:04,980 I ever could have felt that way. 513 00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:10,200 Just make sure you get all my tapes back from her. 514 00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:13,860 I'll sign anything you agree to. 515 00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:23,750 You can arrange something with him? 516 00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:25,430 Yes. 517 00:28:27,150 --> 00:28:29,110 Okay, just let me know what it is. 518 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:35,030 A small present before we start negotiating? 519 00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:36,710 Sure. 520 00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:43,490 Working man's dead, live dead, axa -maxa. 521 00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:46,370 What are these for? 522 00:28:46,830 --> 00:28:47,830 Consider it a gift. 523 00:28:52,879 --> 00:28:53,879 Thanks. 524 00:28:54,380 --> 00:28:58,680 The only reason that Yale produced this film is that his fiancée got it into her 525 00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,900 head that she wanted to direct. 526 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,920 You're not exactly a stranger to the world of pornography, though, are you, 527 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,600 Tobias? As a collector, and solely as a collector, I do not, as a rule, produce 528 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,360 films. The truth is that between magazines and films, I greatly prefer 529 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,280 magazines. Is that right? 530 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:17,760 Magazines. And playing cards. 531 00:29:17,980 --> 00:29:22,280 She doesn't have to know all that, Yale. Miss Fox, if there is any way at all... 532 00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:26,580 that we can avoid this becoming public, I would do anything you ask. 533 00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:28,020 I don't know that there is. 534 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,580 I will plead guilty. 535 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:35,580 I... I will pay any amount of money. I will do community work. 536 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,160 Miss Fox, I have living parents. 537 00:29:40,540 --> 00:29:43,880 In the event that that doesn't strike a sympathetic chord, let me factor into 538 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,560 the equation that the prints of this film were obtained from a lab technician 539 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,540 believe acted only after being coerced by you or those acting on your behalf. 540 00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:57,020 i think that constitutes an illegal search and seizure do you yes i do i 541 00:29:57,020 --> 00:30:01,640 you're all wet that notwithstanding it's possible i was mistaken about you mr 542 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,310 tobias Now, if all this represents is a one -time venture on your part, I think 543 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:09,430 I'd probably be ill -advised in committing the resources of this office 544 00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:13,610 prosecution. Plead guilty to lewd and lascivious behavior, pay a fine, and 545 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:17,370 let it go at that. Fine. No way. Arnie. I'll have the whole thing thrown out of 546 00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:19,810 court. I don't want to go to court, Arnie. I'll have you brought up and 547 00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:22,390 Don't threaten me. Arnie, Arnie, Arnie. 548 00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:27,370 Make it disorderly conduct and his records expunged in six months. 549 00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:28,610 Deal. Please. 550 00:30:34,629 --> 00:30:35,810 Deal. Thank God. 551 00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:38,690 I'll have the papers drawn up by the end of the day. 552 00:30:39,550 --> 00:30:44,050 What time should I come by for it? I'll be ready to leave work around 7 .30. Why 553 00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:45,050 don't you come around then? 554 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:47,430 I'll do that. 555 00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:53,650 Excuse me, Caroline. 556 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:56,790 Ann called to say she'd be running a little late. Okay. 557 00:30:57,050 --> 00:30:58,510 Sit to read over all the papers. 558 00:30:59,030 --> 00:31:00,030 I read them. 559 00:31:00,270 --> 00:31:01,690 And sign all three copies. 560 00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:06,700 It's a lousy thing, isn't it? 561 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Yeah. Can I get you anything? Tea, coffee, anything? 562 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,800 No. 563 00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:14,700 I've been with this guy since I was 18. 564 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,600 That's a long time. 565 00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:21,280 I had my mind made up that when the kids were out of the house, that was it. 566 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,800 When Dylan started his freshman year of college, I served him the papers. 567 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,840 Had you been thinking about it a long time? 568 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,840 On and off for years. 569 00:31:34,449 --> 00:31:37,190 Well, maybe this is good. I mean, you did it, and now it's done. 570 00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:39,130 I don't want it to be done. 571 00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:43,050 I went through a lot with that idiot. This is hard. 572 00:31:43,650 --> 00:31:44,650 I know it's hard. 573 00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:48,290 I had an idiot like that once myself. 574 00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:50,930 You were with somebody for a long time? 575 00:31:51,250 --> 00:31:53,970 Yeah. Time I was 16 until I was 22. 576 00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:57,450 We weren't married, but it was like we were married. 577 00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:59,190 It was worse than being married. 578 00:32:01,570 --> 00:32:03,070 Why did the two of you break up? 579 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,680 You know, we went our separate ways. 580 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,020 I mean, to him, the idea of going beyond heaven you are on 86th Street was like 581 00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:12,020 going to another planet. 582 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,640 Do you miss him? 583 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,720 Yeah, I miss him. 584 00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:25,120 Look, do you think that Ann will be mad at me if I take these overnight to think 585 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,320 about things before I sign? 586 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,280 You're the client. You sign when you're ready to sign. 587 00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:34,740 Dr. Death. 588 00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:41,660 A man devotes his whole life to science, works in the service of his government, 589 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,220 conducts tests and experiments that were both approved by the President of the 590 00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:51,200 United States and performed as part of a stated policy of the United States 591 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,200 government. 592 00:32:54,120 --> 00:33:00,800 Years later, he finds himself vilified. He finds his work viewed out of context 593 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,400 and utterly distorted. 594 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,260 He's no longer a scientist. 595 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,720 He's a killer. He's Dr. Death. 596 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:15,180 Julius Watson, he puts out a little newsletter in which he expresses his 597 00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:16,220 about a variety of things. 598 00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:18,620 He's entitled to his views. 599 00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:23,140 He's entitled to muckrake, to criticize, and to pontificate to his heart's 600 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:28,420 content. What he is not entitled to do is drag a man out of the quiet life that 601 00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:30,460 he is living so that he can lie about him. 602 00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:37,290 Make no mistake, ladies and gentlemen, lie is exactly what Julius Watson did. 603 00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:43,610 When he wrote that this man personally exposed people without their knowledge 604 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:48,210 and consent to lethal amounts of radiation, he was lying. 605 00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:52,010 And you don't get to do that. 606 00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:56,050 It's not called freedom of the press. It's called libel. 607 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:01,450 Julius Watson is guilty of it. We ask you. 608 00:34:01,850 --> 00:34:03,230 to judge him guilty of it. 609 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:10,909 And we ask that you award Aaron Pierce the sum of one half million dollars. 610 00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:29,770 There can be no question that there were radiation tests done in the 1950s that 611 00:34:29,770 --> 00:34:31,030 resulted in people dying. 612 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,159 There can be no question that many of those people had this done to them 613 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,920 their knowledge or their approval now Did the plaintiff? 614 00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:47,600 Personally administer these tests it scarcely matters he knew about them he 615 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:54,420 utilized data drawn from studies of Retarded boys who were tricked into 616 00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:58,120 being laboratory animals on what possible? 617 00:34:58,810 --> 00:35:03,750 basis can you contend that the term Dr. Death was liable? It's not liable, 618 00:35:03,850 --> 00:35:04,850 ladies and gentlemen. 619 00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:06,090 It's the truth. 620 00:35:06,410 --> 00:35:08,850 Julius Watson was telling the truth. 621 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:13,130 And in our country we don't punish people for that. 622 00:35:25,610 --> 00:35:27,010 Where have you taken me? 623 00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:29,050 Somewhere with a view? 624 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:31,310 Is this a ritual of yours? 625 00:35:32,590 --> 00:35:33,590 What? 626 00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:38,370 Taking women parking in your Bentley on the top of Mulholland. You're the first. 627 00:35:38,610 --> 00:35:39,468 You're lying. 628 00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:40,470 I'm not. What? 629 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:43,570 Truth is, I don't want to be the first. 630 00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:44,970 No? 631 00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:46,690 No. 632 00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:48,670 I want to be the last. 633 00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,750 You know, I've noticed you someplace before. 634 00:36:01,270 --> 00:36:02,490 Yeah, when was that? 635 00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:06,370 It might have been in the courthouse. 636 00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:11,590 It might have been at some bar so decent dinner for some student to be appointed 637 00:36:11,590 --> 00:36:12,590 federal judge. 638 00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:19,290 Wherever and whenever it was, I know I once noticed you. 639 00:36:20,090 --> 00:36:22,670 What did you think when you noticed me? 640 00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:52,550 Oh, who are those for? They're all for me, doll. 641 00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:53,810 Who sent you roses? 642 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,260 A very attractive woman sent me roses. Oh, really? 643 00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:01,060 And I say attractive not owing exclusively to her physical beauty 644 00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:03,340 also attractive because she takes the initiative. 645 00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:07,100 Is that what you call it, the initiative? She's coming after me. 646 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,960 point. She's making me the object of desire. She's sending me $150 worth of 647 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,860 roses this off one date. What does that tell you about me? 648 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:17,040 That you date very disturbed women. 649 00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:18,780 Okay. 650 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,740 Has the jury reached a verdict? 651 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,540 We have, Your Honor. 652 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,440 We find in favor of the defendant, Julius Watson. 653 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,680 Jury's dismissed for the thanks of the court. 654 00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:34,240 We stand adjourned. 655 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,180 What's with the suit? 656 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,680 Dressed for a funeral. 657 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:52,760 Don't let's get morbid, shall we? And the mustache? 658 00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:55,840 You told me about a thousand times to shave it off. 659 00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,680 Think of it as kind of a going -away present. 660 00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:05,160 Since you're not moving back, I went ahead and brought some stuff that I 661 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,240 you might want back the most. 662 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,860 You may want to inventory the contents. 663 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,040 Why don't we just get the agreement signed first? 664 00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:14,480 Oh, no. Go ahead. 665 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,940 Inventory the contents. 666 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,940 Um, I don't see anything pre -1970. 667 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:22,690 Oh, yeah, no, wait, I got it. Those are all the A -shelf tapes. I didn't bring 668 00:38:22,690 --> 00:38:27,070 everything. Is there a 1968 Matrix concert there with Paul Butterfield? I 669 00:38:27,070 --> 00:38:31,850 know, Dale. I didn't go through those. Well, I'm not holding out on you if 670 00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:32,850 that's what you're thinking. 671 00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:34,610 Avalon Ballroom, 1967. 672 00:38:35,950 --> 00:38:37,750 Winterland Strike Benefit, 1968. 673 00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:40,150 Clark University, 1969. 674 00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:44,710 Man, I gotta get those. Why don't you finish the inventory, Mr. Hardy? Hey, 675 00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:46,730 counselor, man, this is my life in this box. 676 00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:48,690 It might take me a little while to go through it. 677 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,080 I'll do it. 678 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,760 This is not your life, Dale. 679 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,220 This is a box of stuff. 680 00:38:56,380 --> 00:38:57,580 These are your tapes. 681 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,620 These are your overalls. This is your lucky hat. 682 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,200 Here's your ticket stub collection. 683 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,200 This is the crocheted top I wore that impressed you so much. These are the 684 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,480 sunglasses. You kept that stuff all this time? 685 00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:14,560 Now you want to get rid of it? She's offering you the items, Mr. Hardy. Do 686 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,560 want them or not? 687 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,740 I want her to keep what's hers. 688 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,240 Fine. I'll keep what's mine. 689 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:27,420 Excuse me. I'm going to go to the ladies. 690 00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:36,820 Do you have sparkling water of any kind? 691 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,860 I'll get you one. No, it's cool. I can get it. 692 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:41,500 Kitchen's right there. 693 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,980 Have you listened to those CDs yet? 694 00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:49,600 No. Is 695 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:56,440 there any 696 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,880 sparkling water of any kind? 697 00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:00,500 Right here. 698 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,320 Can I get you a glass? 699 00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:08,980 Not necessary. 700 00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:13,140 Your deal, right? 701 00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:15,660 Right. 702 00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:19,270 We took a little break. 703 00:40:20,490 --> 00:40:21,550 My wife's upset. 704 00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:24,710 Yeah, I talked to your wife yesterday. 705 00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:25,930 I know she's upset. 706 00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:29,650 Why was she upset yesterday? 707 00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:32,830 Pretty much for the same reason she is today. 708 00:40:35,890 --> 00:40:36,890 Thanks for the drink. 709 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,120 You changed. 710 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:13,440 So what does this mean? 711 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,960 It means I don't feel like signing these papers today. 712 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:24,660 I may feel like signing them tomorrow, but I definitely don't feel like signing 713 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:25,660 them today. 714 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,060 Then you shouldn't. 715 00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:38,060 Since the first time I stepped onto a porno set in all the films that I was an 716 00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:42,560 actress, either as an ingenue, secretary, schoolteacher, housewife, I 717 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,640 knew I wanted to direct. 718 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,460 And it took Yale for me to make that happen. 719 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,300 How exactly did you two meet? 720 00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:52,320 Holly was doing a personal appearance at an adult video trade show. 721 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,760 I stammered out in appreciation of her work. 722 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:02,260 And then it was a matter of a weekend. We were unflinchingly, unreasonably in 723 00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:03,280 love. 724 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:05,510 Here's to trade shows. 725 00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:06,790 Here's to you. 726 00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:09,970 Yeah, really. I don't know if you're interested in referrals or not, Mr. 727 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:13,370 but there are lots of people in the porno business that are looking for a 728 00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:15,370 lawyer, and I'm talking about people who could pay. 729 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:20,570 Also, we, Holly and I, may have some upcoming ventures to talk to you about. 730 00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:26,690 I mean, between CD -ROM and software delivery systems utilizing telephone 731 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:29,810 there is a whole world of opportunity in hardcore pornography. 732 00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:32,950 How long do you think it'll be before the DA returns the film? 733 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,340 That may take a while. 734 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,900 Having made a major concession in dropping the pandering charge, DA's 735 00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:40,980 probably going to drag their feet in returning the evidence. 736 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:44,700 There are images in this film that I worked very hard to achieve. 737 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:45,799 She really did. 738 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,120 I mean, this isn't just me getting pawed, tearing my clothes off on my 739 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,180 my back, money shot and out. No. This film has wit. 740 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:57,000 It has irony. 741 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,940 If I may interrupt, what's really wonderful about it is that none of it 742 00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:02,940 the expense... 743 00:43:03,070 --> 00:43:07,490 of an almost overpowering display of sexual carnage. 744 00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:13,710 I could go on for days, but I won't. I'll stop when I know. 745 00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:31,290 Gail? Oh, no, please. 746 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,860 You've given me so much pleasure over the years. I couldn't take any money 747 00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:36,160 you. Oh, that's very sweet. 748 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,400 Thank you. 749 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,980 Honey, could you hold these for me, please? 750 00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:45,420 Thanks. 751 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,800 Bye, Arnie. 752 00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:58,840 What are you doing here? Get in and I'll tell you. 753 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,320 Love your car. 754 00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:04,020 Thank you. 755 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,700 What are you doing here? I had a date tonight. 756 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:13,220 A date with a man whom I like, whom I admire, but not in whom, at this moment, 757 00:44:13,340 --> 00:44:14,460 I'm particularly interested. 758 00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:21,020 The entire time that I was here with him, I had my eyes on you. 759 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:27,740 I suggest we drive up to my house and put Holly's film on the VCR. 760 00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:47,240 Stephen with the rose In and out of the garden he goes Country garland in the 761 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:51,520 wind And the rain wherever he goes The people all complain Grateful Dead. 762 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,460 Can you turn it down? 763 00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:55,300 Sure. 764 00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:58,640 Now you're listening to the Grateful Dead? 765 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,380 My adversary in the Hardy case gave me some of their albums. 766 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,940 Truth is, though, I used to listen to them a lot. 767 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,040 Oh, I forgot. You did have your communal years. 768 00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:08,500 Unlike you. 769 00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:09,660 Not me. 770 00:45:09,850 --> 00:45:11,890 I make no claims to having participated in anything. 771 00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:15,910 Congratulations on the trial, by the way. 772 00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:20,290 Yeah, it was less than wholly gratifying. 773 00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:21,650 Why was that? 774 00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:26,030 We beat this guy who did all these terrible things in the 50s, right? 775 00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:29,930 Well, if this were the 50s, I might think he was right. 776 00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:31,330 Then you'd both be wrong. 777 00:45:34,210 --> 00:45:35,490 You were never wrong, were you? 778 00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:38,470 Yeah, plenty of times. 779 00:45:38,830 --> 00:45:43,660 Yeah? You mean among the macrobiotic diets and the doctrinaire Marxism and 780 00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:47,660 sexual promiscuity and the Grateful Dead, you actually made a mistake 781 00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:49,340 Yes, absolutely. 782 00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:51,300 Good. 783 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,740 I'm going to go take a bath.